I haven’t seen the latest episode, so I’m going to steer clear of my ask box until I have.
Rita Volk x Just Jared Jr.
okay okay okay but how about we destroy the idea that just because this is a fair representation of a lgbt+ friendly pairing that they NEED to be together for society’s sake, like that’s just as problematic as enabling the fetishising lesbians. what this show is in support of is equality and that does not mean “make every potentially lesbian couple be an actual couple in the name of lgbt+ rights”. it means that we should acknowledge the lgbt+ community as being a community, as being treated and represented equally no mater race, religion not gender. in reality, not every couple works out the way they want to. some people get together unsuspectedly. we should be accepting of this realistic approach to relationships opposed to being completely and utterly offended when queer pairings DON’T end up together. forcing lgbt+ people (whether characters, actors or people you know personally) into relationships to forcefully balance the equality representation in society IS NOT how we should be going about this. educate society on the matter, get them to see why it appears like we’re just a bunch of angry gays who ship every homosexual pairing on screen together. equality isn’t equality if it’s forced.
There has to be conflict for there to be a show, and it’s possible for both characters to move on - in terms of romantic interests - yet for there to still be some underlying conflict.
If the show kept Liam’s character as having come from a monetary/power-centred family, but taking the role of Karma’s best friend, I’d still be inclined to see his actions as being the least justified, solely because we haven’t been given all that much detail on him. Amy (assuming Liam’s current position in the show), on the other hand, I can see as having more in favour of her as we’ve insight to her life at home, about her mother marrying a man of a daughter she does not get along with. This context just gives us more of a character to root for. There’d be more reason to justify her “wanting to turn Karma straight” agenda with her difficult life at home, or pin her inability to form, or dislike towards, long-term relationships as being stemmed from her distance with her own mother and lack of father figure (at least to our knowledge) - all of which I do not agree with enabling, for the record. Liam, in this new form of the show, would be seemingly innocent in his approach, but since we barely know anything about him, all we can form are our own conclusions. He may love Karma and we’d see his emotional conflict as Karma fawns over Amy, but we’re still not given anything about him to really… like? This wasn’t me trying to come up with some kind of theory or taking sides, but simply just a personal thought from observation.
He literally is just existing as a filler, and that’s what makes people hate him even more - his character has very little depth. All that we know about him is of the monetary-centred issues in his family, but the problem is, that trope has be used and used and used so much that I think people are just dismissing the idea completely. We’re not given anything to back up that “justification”, and so I’m looking forward to seeing him interact with his family in the later episodes.
And also, could you imagine if Liam and Amy’s roles were reversed? Like, what if Liam and Karma had been best friends since they were little, and Amy was the lesbian who wanted to “turn Karma straight”? What if Amy had done everything Liam had done, and Liam was completely in love with Karma? I know that it concerns a bunch of issues further than I’m addressing right now, but if you think about it, just plot-wise, can you imagine how different our opinions the characters would be?
[continuation] Dude for all we know, Karmy my not even be endgame. That’s how the writes keep a good show going, by hinting and saying stuff and never falling through. Yes, people would be mad but a lesson would be taught. “We don’t always get what we want, some things were just not meant to happen.” It’s not like Karma is going to be the only woman she meets ever. People change and so do feelings you know? But I’m down for a Karmy Endgame
I’m happy that you’re confident enough with your opinion that you’re happy to share it with me off anonymous.
I agree in the sense that Amy needs more time to reflect over everything that’s happened and wait until she’s at a place where she can think clearly. It would make sense for her to want to go out and meet other people, but I’m hoping that if she does, she makes some kind of indication to the predicament she’s in. It wouldn’t be fair to date somebody with them under the pretence that you are genuinely interested in only them, for obvious reasons. Like mentioned before, having Amy and Karma get together in the remainder of this season is very unlikely, and arguably even more unlikely in the season coming (since we’re assuming Karma finds out about Amy and Liam’s secret in the last episode of season two).
I’m completely for a Karmy endgame, but, as much as I hate to admit it, the moral would be right. Even if they don’t end up in a romantic relationship, they’re still going to be friends - Carter has already made that point clear. He wants this to be revolved around their undying friendship, and either way, they’d be friends. For all we know, they could both end up with completely different partners come season five and they could be so happy for each other.
I’d started to write an AU with an extraverted, demi-homoromantic Amy, and an introverted, bicurious Karma, but then I remembered that I have a 1,000 word essay comparison on four poems in which I need to explain how each completely rebuke the idea of a patriarchal society.
I can definitely see what you mean by this, and to be honest, it wouldn’t be such a bad idea. Liam’s attraction towards Karma was definitely furthered by the notion that he wasn’t allowed her, so what did he do? Tried to get her anyway. Karma wanted his attention, and now she has her behind-the-scenes boyfriend whom she has to keep top secret else there’d be more gossip to ruin her reputation. It isn’t just linked into the adrenaline and thrill of potentially getting caught, but also getting some kind of self-worth from this.
I definitely agree with the anon. I really want for Kiam to have a small run. I want for those two to be asking themselves questions like “but why do i really like this person, really? What do I even like about them? Do I even like them? Is this just about reputation and appearance? What am I doing with and to this other person?” I think that’s really important and something they have yet to actually do on the show.
I think that it’s really important how you included the both of them going through that uncertainty, opposed to just Karma.